tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post2438291994459496879..comments2023-11-03T03:07:25.408-07:00Comments on The Lyon's Tale: WNW: Long-A has an E in It! Or: DiphthongsAnnette Lyonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12493583432919249814noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-83673566504957484502009-04-02T12:20:00.000-07:002009-04-02T12:20:00.000-07:00Dipthongs are a singer's worst nightmare. I'm lea...Dipthongs are a singer's worst nightmare. I'm learning so much from being in Lex's choir.<BR/><BR/>How faupaux it is to say All-LAY-lu-jah (dipthong way), instead of Al-LEH-lu-jah.<BR/>And the word Thou. I don't even know how to type out the difference. The wrong way has kind of an E sound before the o, and the right way is more like a short A sound. Thau, instead of Theou. <BR/><BR/>I'm learning how to bring out my inner British when I sing.Sherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03380959865544480160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-24417776571281885742009-04-02T10:17:00.000-07:002009-04-02T10:17:00.000-07:00Chas, Voiced and voiceless consonants fascinate me...Chas, Voiced and voiceless consonants fascinate me too. They were the topic of one of my very first WNW posts:<BR/><BR/>http://blog.annettelyon.com/2008/12/wnw-non-native-english-tongue-twister.htmlAnnette Lyonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12493583432919249814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-33864190662343502672009-04-02T10:07:00.000-07:002009-04-02T10:07:00.000-07:00I've always been fascinated by those kinds of thin...I've always been fascinated by those kinds of things.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever noticed the relationship between consonants?<BR/><BR/>For example:<BR/><BR/>B and P<BR/>D and T<BR/>V and F<BR/>G and K<BR/>J and Ch<BR/>Z and S<BR/><BR/>Essentially making their sounds use the exact same mouth position, but the first uses voice, and the second only uses air. Crazy, huh?<BR/><BR/>- Chas<BR/>http://chas.willowrise.comChas Hathawayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14505602429326542420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-90860955669700522422009-04-01T20:21:00.000-07:002009-04-01T20:21:00.000-07:00Never knew any of that. I'm sitting here pronounc...Never knew any of that. I'm sitting here pronouncing those words slowly and carefully on the couch trying to hear all the slight variations on the vowels while American Idol is attempting to entertain me.wenderfulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08278818194043693252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-7504521255902099362009-04-01T18:12:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:12:00.000-07:00Holy cow, I learn a lot when I come here :)Holy cow, I learn a lot when I come here :)Heather of the EOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607422301391841377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-47815161684338803222009-04-01T18:02:00.000-07:002009-04-01T18:02:00.000-07:00Yes, I learned more about English grammar in Germa...Yes, I learned more about English grammar in German class than in English. Until I went to college. Wait, no, I think I still learned more in German class. :)Heatherlynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09355263068372248035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-29716211086130129412009-04-01T16:40:00.000-07:002009-04-01T16:40:00.000-07:00You know that explains something I have wondered a...You know that explains something I have wondered about for years. I had a friend in high school who was a Vietnamese refugee. She really struggled learning english, and this was the problem! I wasn't much help because I couldn't hear the dipthong. Thanks for the long awaited explanation.Johttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530972001172936718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-34390088213547503002009-04-01T16:11:00.000-07:002009-04-01T16:11:00.000-07:00Okay, this was over my head. Maybe I need to lear...Okay, this was over my head. Maybe I need to learn another language. I only know a little bit of Spanish and Italian.Lyon Pridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00065640406442986466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-40993144799455696682009-04-01T12:53:00.000-07:002009-04-01T12:53:00.000-07:00I love word sounds! Foreign languages lure me beca...I love word sounds! Foreign languages lure me because of the differences in sound. (It's also why my family members are terrible hint droppers because we focus on inflection so much.) =]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-61174685166452481782009-04-01T11:46:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:46:00.000-07:00I love diphthongs! Actually I'd forgotten what th...I love diphthongs! Actually I'd forgotten what they were until you reminded me, but I've thought about them a lot living in Poland (just didn't have a name for them) Polish is like Finnish (and Kaikki would be pronounced just the same if it were a Polish word). If there's a vowel, you only pronounce the vowel shown. "No" (which means "yeah") is pronounced "no" not "no-w" Because, really, what's up with that added "w"? <BR/><BR/>I really wanted to officially spell David's name phonetically in Polish so it would have been Dejwyd Ajzyk and any Pole would have been able to pronounce it correctly, but Greg said no. Plus, doesn't Dejwyd Ajzyk just look significantly more awesome than David Isaac? (It could also be Deiwyd Aizyk, but the J and I act the same here and the J looks better :)<BR/><BR/>But it would be really funny to see Americans try to get "David Isaac" out of that! :)LisAwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03299284773832500834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-29311223295317808722009-04-01T11:29:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:29:00.000-07:00I always learn so much when I come to your blog!I always learn so much when I come to your blog!Kristina P.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16144488639100871226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-90109776456242760122009-04-01T11:18:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:18:00.000-07:00When reading the Finnish words in At the Water's E...When reading the Finnish words in <I>At the Water's Edge,</I> I would pronouce every vowel, like you demonstrated. Glad to know I got it right!<BR/><BR/>My only question: Do you pronouce <I>diphthong</I> "DIP-thong" or "DIFF-thong"? I always thought it was DIP, but seeing it spelled out makes me wonder....Wonder Womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01286006629537084653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-38688358619495571742009-04-01T11:15:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:15:00.000-07:00I love how you've passed your love of language on ...I love how you've passed your love of language on to your children. Fabulous!Kimberly Vanderhorsthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01653757517652257445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-87877812028579554302009-04-01T11:13:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:13:00.000-07:00Being a singer I tend to know about how to pronoun...Being a singer I tend to know about how to pronounce diphthongs and tripthongs— but the word I like is Iowa…Cajohhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17705931109877069830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-5506449427363906722009-04-01T11:09:00.000-07:002009-04-01T11:09:00.000-07:00Hawaiian and other Polynesian languages work the s...Hawaiian and other Polynesian languages work the same way as Finnish - every vowel has it's own sound, and everything is spelled phonetically. <BR/><BR/>So simple and elegant - I love it.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17369952902975144773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-72958313523996517922009-04-01T09:30:00.000-07:002009-04-01T09:30:00.000-07:00I was actually thinking that the long-A sound shou...I was actually thinking that the long-A sound shouldn't have to be dipthongized, as it is a pure vowel in most languages. (IPA /e/.) However, you had me over here repeating words, and yes, I dipthongize in a big way. I suppose most Americans do it. Anyway, the word bake would come out more like beck if we didn't, I guess.<BR/><BR/>Interesting that your daughter could hear them so well and had such trouble.<BR/><BR/>Fun WNW!Lara Neveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08351324888724799014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-12697642321570337642009-04-01T08:55:00.000-07:002009-04-01T08:55:00.000-07:00It's not a short 'e' in bake . . . unless you're f...It's not a short 'e' in bake . . . unless you're from Utah. ;) The IPA 'ei' (/beik/) is a bit "higher" and "more forward" than the short e.<BR/><BR/>In my phonetics class, our professor (Fails, if you know him) had us transcribe out monophthongs: like the ee sound in machine: [ii] ('i' is the 'ee' sound in IPA, just like Finnish) because if you listen close/look at the spectrograph, there's a "tightening" at the end of the sound, so it changes. (There was also a diacritic in there that I can't get here.)<BR/><BR/>(You made me bust out the IPA up in here!)<BR/><BR/>Prompted by "kaikki": do you know a Finnish children's song about pigs? (My dad taught us kids the chorus as "sinä ja sinä" instead of "sinä ja minä." Forgive spellings; I've never actually seen the words, just learned them from Dad.)Jordan McCollumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523599384793856702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29222764.post-68898941119271895832009-04-01T06:53:00.000-07:002009-04-01T06:53:00.000-07:00I learned so much more about our language from tak...I learned so much more about our language from taking French than I EVER did in an English class. It's sad. <BR/><BR/>And with the knitting ... I couldn't resist!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com